proxmark3 gerbers and bill of material

elektryk · 2013-09-26 12:38:48

I have recently bought used proxmark on local market, so I am not interested in group buy.

gaucho · 2013-09-26 20:10:23

damn, it seems we can't reach 10 units for the 512k version of the proxmark3.
It's incredible.

Here the summary:

1. Gaucho
2. Gaucho
3. Asper
4. Vivat
5. Neuer User
6. fjodorr
7. holiman
8. Enio
9. albertito12
10. roel (dead, he do not answer)
11. roel (dead, he do not answer)
12. dogfriend (no more interested)
13. elektryk (no more interested)
14. Peter80(didn't confirmed, may be he is not interested)

Last edited by gaucho (2013-09-26 20:34:20)

asper · 2013-09-26 21:41:36

Elektryk seems to be out of the list.he stated that in another post.

gaucho · 2013-09-26 21:46:01

yes, i wrote "no more interested". we miss 1 piece to reach 10.

akwarelista · 2013-10-02 13:28:17

Hello. How long it would take to get fully functional in my hands? I am interested in buy 1 piece with both antenas.

gaucho · 2013-10-02 18:05:19

Hi,
finally we reached 10 units,
even Roel answered my email.
I suppose we can now proceed for the order of 10 proxmark3 with bigger flash (512KB).
I need your complete shipping address and quantity required (by mail).
You can pay with paypal using my account (if you still don't have it, ask for it by mail).
I will ship the boards from Italy.
I will start the order once received at least 50% of the total money, otherwise i will resend back your money.
The price for each one of us is 90€.
I suppose that the time needed for you to receive the item can be even 40 days from the order.
I will continuously update you about the status of the buy.

Regards.

Gaucho.

p.s.: if you need antennas, cables or something else, I can point you to some good online shop. I don't have project for antennas, so I can't ask for a quotation.

Enio · 2013-10-02 18:33:35

Thats awesome news!

vivat · 2013-10-03 03:47:13

Nice!

tariq · 2013-10-05 17:03:23

That's good!

Please keep us updated!

vivat · 2013-10-06 14:21:47

Hey Gaucho
I sent you e-mail.

tariq · 2013-10-07 19:00:03

Hi Gaucho,

I had sent you 90 euros through paypal.

Have you reached the required amount? How many users had already paid?

Please update me.

gaucho · 2013-10-07 20:34:31

Hi guys,
yes I received the required amount.
Last week it was the national day in china (holiday that in mainland china is one week long), so my manufacturer still doesn't answers me,
may be he has a queue of emails.
I will give you an update when I will send him the money.

vivat · 2013-10-09 17:38:30

Hey Gaucho
I have sent you the money

benoit37000 · 2013-10-11 10:27:26

Hello
I am Benoit From France , i have been working with RFID tools since 2 yeras ( pn532 board , Others readers)
buildingg 125 KHZ EM4000 and HID emulator with pic12f683 and attyny45.

i jus bought a Proxmark board here http://www.xfpga.com/html_products/proxmark3-20.html
and i am looking for a Second Proxmark Board
so i am interested by this Post
Is the order already made or could ou add me ?

Thanks

Benoit37000

gaucho · 2013-10-11 17:14:02

Benoit, you can join cause the manufacturer still didn't answered to my question about the pcba testing.
i still didn't sent him the money.
most of partecipants sent the money. at this point i suppose i can anticipate the rest.

to join, send me by email your full address and, if you want, a msn/skype contact.

Last edited by gaucho (2013-10-11 17:21:42)

gaucho · 2013-10-12 10:35:09

I write here updated list of partecipants with payment status:

Q.ty5 gaucho (ok, of course it's me!)
Q.ty2 roel (money received)
Q.ty1 vivat (money received)
Q.ty1 holiman (money received)
Q.ty1 kilae (money received)
Q.ty1 Akwarelista (money received)
Q.ty1 Tariq (money received)
Q.ty1 res (money received)
Q.ty1 Benoit37000 (money received)
Q.ty1 enio (money received)
Q.ty1 new_user13(money received)
Q.ty1 ikarus (money received)
Q.ty1 Neuer User (money received)
Q.ty2 SFiCl

Note: if you send me the money AFTER that I will have boards in my hands, the price will not be 90€, but more. This seems to me to be honest.

Please, if you didn't paid and you are no more interested, let me know.

Last edited by gaucho (2013-12-10 18:51:01)

gaucho · 2013-10-15 18:23:05

Yes I can add you to the list.
Please write to me by email your shipping address.

A small update:

Vivat suggested me to ask more quotation and sent to me a list of manufacturers.
Part of them was still contacted by me.
Anyway, I sent a big amount of emails requesting new quotations.
lot of them doens't make pcba (but only PCB), part of them didn't answered, only one has the cheaper price: mine (the one i selected)
but the PCB and the soldering is not all,
the big cost of course is made by the components.

about the components, the manufacturers globally answered:
-"we don't have all components, please buy and ship to us" (mine told this)
-"we can buy the components for you but there is a MOQ, so the price is reeeeally high"
-"we can buy the components but, due to our load the price is the double of the double of the real price"

finally I decided to buy components using an agent.
I found it on taobao and it seems to be good. (give me one more week and i can speak chinese, i got every translation tool on my pc, included taobao chat completely in chinese)
before to do this, i found each component on taobao, reporting on the BOM, as a reference for the agent, the link to the taobao reseller.
I added on the BOM even some interesting informations, that could be uploaded on the google code space, in example, i reported next to digikey part number, the manufacturer, the manufacturer part number, a link to a picture of the component and a link to the datasheet of the components.

He(the found agent, that in reality is a component's reseller) made a good price and he asked me the shipping address for the final price calculation.

I asked to pcb manufacturer the shipping address in order to send him the components and I'm waiting the information.

EDIT: sorry for my english but I wrote this post too fast.

Last edited by gaucho (2013-10-15 18:26:26)

Enio · 2013-10-15 21:13:07

Thanks for the update and kudos for your efforts. Much appreciated. Thank you!

ikarus · 2013-10-18 10:08:21

Hi gaucho,

I don't know if it is too late, but is there a chance to get my name on that list?

gaucho · 2013-10-18 12:15:13

yes, Ikarus,
you can join. Send to me by email your shipping address.

another update:
the manufacturer told me the shipping address, i wrote it to the component's reseller and i'm waiting for the last price included shipping cost and preferred paiment method. seller is in shenzen and manufacturer office in macau.
for the payment of the components it is possible that i have to create a Alipay account.
I started creating the alipay account, now i'm checking how to transfer the money from paypal to alipay. I'm waiting to know if the component's seller can receive money via paypal. the pcb manufacturer for sure can be paid with paypal.
china is a world apart. they don't use paypal, they use alipay, they don't use ebay, they use taobao, they don't use skype or yahoo messenger, they use QQ, they don't use google as search engine, they use baidu.

p.s.: the pcba assembler told me that for this small quantity he will solder components by hands, so I increased the total requested boards to 20, to solder components with automatic system, and not by hands.
I hope more users will join us, cause I decided today to buy 20 boards (I prefer the automatic system instead of manual solderings).

I updated the list on previous post.

Last edited by gaucho (2013-10-18 12:21:43)

tariq · 2013-10-20 20:17:34

Thanks Gaucho for the update!

RadioWar · 2013-10-21 14:42:48

gaucho wrote:

yes, Ikarus,
you can join. Send to me by email your shipping address.
another update:
the manufacturer told me the shipping address, i wrote it to the component's reseller and i'm waiting for the last price included shipping cost and preferred paiment method. seller is in shenzen and manufacturer office in macau.
for the payment of the components it is possible that i have to create a Alipay account.
I started creating the alipay account, now i'm checking how to transfer the money from paypal to alipay. I'm waiting to know if the component's seller can receive money via paypal. the pcb manufacturer for sure can be paid with paypal.
china is a world apart. they don't use paypal, they use alipay, they don't use ebay, they use taobao, they don't use skype or yahoo messenger, they use QQ, they don't use google as search engine, they use baidu.
p.s.: the pcba assembler told me that for this small quantity he will solder components by hands, so I increased the total requested boards to 20, to solder components with automatic system, and not by hands.
I hope more users will join us, cause I decided today to buy 20 boards (I prefer the automatic system instead of manual solderings).
I updated the list on previous post.

we use Gmail、Google、Skype、ebay、paypal、msn AND We are chinese~
but be careful in Taobao , especially because you are a foreigner

ikarus · 2013-10-21 15:08:37

Hi gaucho,
I send you the money on Friday. Please update the list so I can be sure
you received it. Thank you!

... And Thank you for the whole Proxmark3-group-buy project! I really appreciate it!

gaucho · 2013-10-21 18:15:47

@ikarus: post updated.
@radiowar: sorry for the group buy, I suppose you sell PM3 as job. thank you for suggestion, I used taobao to find component reseller, then I spoken a lot with them on alichat,QQ and by mail. I'm quite confident with them, they seems to be shenzen professional component's reseller. Anyway, risk is in everything we do in life, important thing is to try to calculate the risk. I think that, with the help of vivat, we calculated the risk and found workarounds.

Last edited by gaucho (2013-10-21 18:16:22)

gaucho · 2013-10-21 18:49:32

Hi guys, little update: I sent the money to the PCB manufacturer.
I'm waiting a confirmation message from the components reseller (just a formality) in order to ear that she is ready to receive the money, then I'll send the money via paypal.

gaucho · 2013-10-22 19:32:05

Hi guys, another update: I paid the components to components reseller.
Next update when components will be sent or when the PCB is manufactured.

Note1: I have PM3 to sell. I bought more boards than what i need (5 instead of 1).

Note2: please, if you didn't sent the money, do it now, or tell me that you are no more interested. Thank you.

Regards.

Last edited by gaucho (2013-10-22 19:33:44)

RadioWar · 2013-10-23 12:38:30

gaucho wrote:

@ikarus: post updated.
@radiowar: sorry for the group buy, I suppose you sell PM3 as job. thank you for suggestion, I used taobao to find component reseller, then I spoken a lot with them on alichat,QQ and by mail. I'm quite confident with them, they seems to be shenzen professional component's reseller. Anyway, risk is in everything we do in life, important thing is to try to calculate the risk. I think that, with the help of vivat, we calculated the risk and found workarounds.

i'm not a seller! OK?

gaucho · 2013-10-23 17:27:23

Sorry Radiowar, may be I misunderstood. While looking for low cost PM3 I found a site and I understood it was you selling pm3 boards.
I obviously made an error.
I apologize.

gaucho · 2013-10-25 18:01:59

Update: one of the contacted pcb manufacturer answered with very high delay, and sent a really competitive quotation.
Now it's late, since i still sent the money, but, having regard to its offer, the next time, in case of future purchase, we could save 8€ on each board.
I don't know the quality of that manufacturer, it was on the list received from Vivat.
I could investigate in the future.

The components reseller wrote me this:

Hi,how are you.for the pack,i will write a label(product name,P/N)on polybag.thanks for your trust.
i will not let you disppoint.
And i want to discuss a problem with you.
it's about the brand of TXC 7A-13.560MAAJ-T and TXC 7A-16.000MAAJ-T
We dont find the TXC brand, Could you accpet NDK(Japan)?
waiting for your reply.thanks.

this is the datasheets of requested components: http://www.txccrystal.com/images/pdf/7a.pdf
this is a NDK component I found: http://media.digikey.com/pdf/Data%20Sheets/NDK%20PDFs/NX5032GA.pdf

I'm still reading these datasheets and searching for an alternative.
If you have a suggestion, let me know.
If we don't find an alternative, I will force the reseller to find this component. I asked her to check the list before the order, so it's her fault.

EDIT: I've seen the picture on this link: http://www.proxmark.org/forum/viewtopic.php?id=863&p=1
I can read on the crystal, "16000" and "E 5145" but I can't find an applicable datasheet. who is the manufacturer of that component?

EDIT2: I found on the NDK website the component NDK 5032. what do you think about it? this is the datasheet: http://www.ndk.com/images/products/catalog/c_NX5032GA-STD-CSU-2_e.pdf

EDIT3: the load capacitance of NDK crystal is only 8pF, then the capacitors should be changed from 22pF to 10pF. correct?

EDIT4: I found the crystal Cardinal Components CX532Z-A2B3C5-70-16.0D18
This is the datasheet: http://www.cardinalxtal.com/uploads/files/cx532a.pdf
It seems equivament to TXC, ok?

EDIT5: this is what i finally wrote to manufacturer:

Dear Ellen, the use of NDK crystal, will force us to change even other components, for this reason I don't like it.
The equivalent alternative component for XT2 is Cardinal Components CX532Z-A2B3C5-70-16.0D18
The equivalent alternative component for XT1 is ECS-135.6-18-23A-EN-TR

Last edited by gaucho (2013-10-26 17:40:53)

gaucho · 2013-11-01 10:38:40

Another little update:
the components reseller finally didn't found the alternative components.
I had to contact each reseller on taobao, but none of them sells original TXC crystal, they are all fake components (most of the cases NDK crystals, that they try to sell as TXC components).
Finally I forced the reseller to buy TXC crystals from a chinese partner of Mouser (do you know mouser? it's international component's seller).
She wasn't happy cause the price is very high for them, but I'm sure that the total money that she gain from me, is more than what she had to pay for those crystals.
Anyway, now it's all ok.
Each component is ready to be sent and the crystals will take 7-10 days to arrive on reseller site.

Keep in touch.

vivat · 2013-11-01 16:16:09

What's about PCB manufacturer?

gaucho · 2013-11-01 17:26:21

He is working.
I don't want to bother him.
He sent to me 2 days ago a PCB that I ordered for another project (ordered few weeks ago). He said that he needs few days to manufacture a PCB, so I suppose that when i will ask him about the PCB, he will tell me that it is ready. Then I will ask a picture.
He uses a tracked shipping, with chinapost.
I will ask him the status of the PCB when I will inform him that the components has been sent.

vivat · 2013-11-07 15:17:31

Any updates?

gaucho · 2013-11-07 17:27:03

Update: this morning the reseller told me that she sent the components.
I wrote to the manufacturer to inform him and to request the status of the PCB.
I asked a tracked shipping, then I asked the reseller to give me the tracking number, in order to know where components are.
I'll let you know more when I'll have news.

gaucho · 2013-11-08 18:23:20

Update: this morning the manufacturer told me that he made the pcbs, and sent to me a picture of the pm3 pcb. unfortunately it is low resolution.

gaucho · 2013-11-12 09:13:44

components arrived on the manufacturer site.

gaucho · 2013-11-14 18:22:16

the manufacturer confirmed that he received correct components and he will now solder components.
I asked high resolution picture before the shipment.
Let's see.

Enio · 2013-11-14 21:32:24

Thank you

akwarelista · 2013-11-18 08:36:48

Great news! It would be nice to see pictures of mounted board.

gaucho · 2013-11-23 14:06:36

The manufacturer last week wrote to me asking detailed info about the soldering.
I remembered him that I already sent that info and I sent again detailed info.
He answered today with the following sentence: Don't worry. Everything is fine, the assembly will be finished next week, then we'll arrange the shipment to you, thanks.

Last edited by gaucho (2013-11-23 14:07:14)

benoit37000 · 2013-11-23 18:12:31

Thanks for the update gaucho

vivat · 2013-12-01 15:11:04

Any news?

gaucho · 2013-12-04 19:04:37

Update: the manufacturer sent me this message:
"Everything is fine. Just a little problem, there is a wrong resistor value 100k received while it should be 10k, anyway we already fixed it in our side.
We'll ship out to you these two days."

vivat · 2013-12-09 04:39:39

Did the pcb manufacturer sent the boards to you? If yes, can you give me tracking number(by e-mail)

gaucho · 2013-12-10 18:54:03

I had no answer from manufacturer.
I wrote him asking updated info about the shipment.

I updated the list cause I didn't receive money or messages from fjodorr and albertito12.
I added SFiCl cause he requested quantity 2.

Q.ty2 gaucho (ok, it's me!)
Q.ty2 roel (money received)
Q.ty1 vivat (money received)
Q.ty1 holiman (money received)
Q.ty1 kilae (money received)
Q.ty1 Akwarelista (money received)
Q.ty1 Tariq (money received)
Q.ty1 res (money received)
Q.ty1 Benoit37000 (money received)
Q.ty1 enio (money received)
Q.ty1 new_user13(money received)
Q.ty1 ikarus (money received)
Q.ty1 Neuer User (money received)
Q.ty2 SFiCl (money received)
Q.ty1 twixx (money received)
Q.ty1 betelgeuse (money received)
Q.ty1 Asper

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gaucho · 2013-12-12 20:05:02

This is last email.

Read.

------------------ Original ------------------
Sender: "derek";
Send time: Thursday, Dec 12, 2013 11:20 AM
To: "'gaucho1978'";
Subject: RE: Reply:RE: Reply:RE: PCBA - work status request

Sorry for late reply.  The pcb was finished, and we'll receive it here in our office tomorrow and then we'll ship out to you immediately.

Best regards,

Derek

From: gaucho1978

Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2013 12:16 AM
To: derek
Subject: Reply:RE: Reply:RE: PCBA - work status request

Sorry to bother you Derek,
my customers are continuously asking me when will they receive the boards..

------------------ Original ------------------

Sender: "derek"

Send time: Thursday, Dec 5, 2013 10:52 AM

To: "'gaucho1978'"

Subject: RE: Reply:RE: PCBA - work status request

Ok, we'll take a photo to you, thanks.

Best regards,

Derek

From: gaucho1978

Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 2:11 AM
To: derek
Subject: Reply:RE: PCBA  - work status request

thank you. I will let the component's reseller know that he did a mistake.
Do you have high resolution picture of the pcba in order to see the result?

------------------ Original ------------------

Sender: "derek"

Send time: Wednesday, Dec 4, 2013 9:56 AM

To: "'gaucho1978'"

Subject: RE: PCBA - work status request

Everything is fine. Just a little problem, there is a wrong resistor value 100k received while it should be 10k, anyway we already fixed it in our side.

We'll ship out to you these two days.

Best regards,

Derek

The reason for this reply is because they have factory in another part of china. May be this time is differenct than the past (in the past they sent PCB directly) cause this time I requested a PCBA and not a PCB and may be their quality control want to check PCBAs before shipment (this is just assumption), anyway I prefer that Derek watch the result before the shipment, cause he knows its work. My last bought pcb was really well manufactured. P.s.:he wrote pcb instead of pcba, don't worry, it's just typing error. :-D
I suppose he will send a picture tomorrow.
I'll be back soon here with news.
Bye.

Last edited by gaucho (2013-12-12 20:21:45)

gaucho · 2013-12-14 11:06:14

this is last email.
Bye

Hi,
Attached please find the picture, we already shipped out to you yesterday by registered airmail. Hope to deal with you again next time.
Best regards,
Derek

Note1: i see some reflections on soldering pins of xilinx. I don't think it is a bad soldering, because I completely trust on Derek: they are professional.
Anyway I don't want to disturb the manufacturer now, it will be unuseful since they still sent the boards.
I have a friend with 30 years experience in microscope soldering. If there is a soldering problem i will solve it on my site.

Note2: last time that he sent to me a board by airmail it took 21 days to arrive at my site.
This means that it will be on my site not before 6 January 2014.

I apologize for the incorrect shipping date previously communicated

Last edited by gaucho (2014-02-06 20:33:13)

gaucho · 2013-12-19 19:56:51

yes you can, since i ordered 5 units while i need just one.
if you pay before the board arrive in my hands it's 90€, if you pay later it will be more cause i will add my gain.

if someone interested, just send to me by email your shipment address and the money via paypal.

regards.

gaucho · 2013-12-23 10:34:36

Update: I'm going to buy antennas for myself. someone interested?
I will send money to china within few days.
If you want it, I can order more than one per kind.
I found them on the net, i have no guarantees about the product.
HF antenna - http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.35.kJk7ml&id=15837877685
big 13,56MHz antenna (HF) - http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.UNzQhm&scm=1007.10009.257.0&id=13888178247

I can't find cheap LF antenna. the producer of the first HF antenna produces even LF antenna but it is out of stock now.

EDIT: someone interested on these cards?: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a230r.1.14.131.DwnnY0&id=21299156421
or these http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=2013.1.0.0.TsvWl0&scm=1007.10009.257.0&id=21298456622

Last edited by gaucho (2013-12-23 11:37:13)

benoit37000 · 2013-12-24 02:31:55

hi gaucho
if the price is in yuan the uid changeable card at 15 yuan will interest me x3
what about the shipping fees
thanks

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